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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number 472 for the fifth of

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November 2017 richardsaunders here with

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you fresh off the plane coming to you

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from Sydney Australia fresh off the

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plane from Los Angeles although

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originally from San Fran oh now hang old

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peg it back I was in Las Vegas I flew to

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San Francisco it's been a couple of days

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there flew to Los Angeles spent a couple

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of hours there and then flew back to

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Sydney Australia and along the way

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somewhere I picked up a little bit of a

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cold so I hope you'll forgive me if I

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sound a little bit under the weather

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speaking of the weather it's cool and

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overcast in Sydney today with a bit of

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rain coming up on this week's show I

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speak to the legendary investigator of

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all things paranormal psychic and

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conspiracy and monsters and things Joe

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Nickell the one and only Joe Nickell i

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sat down with Joe at the recent saikhan

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in Las Vegas and we had a wide-ranging

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talk revolving around John F Kennedy and

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now he's and Bigfoot and things like

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that always a pleasure to interview Joe

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Nickell and that's coming up at the top

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of the show after that a grain of salt

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with Iran say give more of his

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interviews and insights from his recent

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world trip and this week from the

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European skeptics Congress Iran

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interviews sophie van der not from sense

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about science

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Europe to aid science in policymaking

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find out with the Rancic F then to round

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off the show more from the saikhan in

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Las Vegas night chat to susan gerbic

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from guerrilla skepticism before the the

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event started and then after it was all

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over to get her insights in the fact we

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begin our interview in the bar down near

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the the check-in desk at the Excalibur

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Hotel and there's some tango dancing

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going on some tango lessons find out

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what susan gerbic thought about the

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whole psyche on coming up to round off

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show and a big big big thank you from me

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to very car and kendrick phrase and all

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the people at the committee for

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skeptical inquiry for putting together a

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wonderful convention I was very lucky I

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took part in a panel on the last day of

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the convention very wide-ranging panel

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about problems facing science and what

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maybe we can do to make to make these

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things better to improve the general

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process of science that it was very

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interesting it was dr. Ricci dr. Rachel

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Dunlop Cara Santa Maria and Britt Hermes

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on that panel with myself and I really

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enjoyed it it was fascinating and I

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actually I look forward to hearing it

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back again or seeing it because when you

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when you're part of a panel like that

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it's easy to forget all the things that

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were said and thank you to all the

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people who came up to me and I'm sure to

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the other panelists and said that how

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much they enjoyed that that panel and

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thank you to all the skeptics our

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listeners who came up and said hello

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many from Australia I was very happy to

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see so many Australians in Las Vegas and

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I was happy to dish out some must sticks

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to everybody - sometimes people weren't

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happy to get them but the Australians

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were at least some other little

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some chicken soup that's for cold

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doesn't it chicken soup yeah hot tea

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ginger tea ginger teen maybe some ginger

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chicken soup all I do that I hope you

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[Music]

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and I'm catching up with Joe Nickell

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hello Joe Nickell hello my friend

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good to see you outside your country yes

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I think the last time I saw you was

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probably Brisbane Brisbane it was and a

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terrible time I had a scary time you're

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out looking for the Yowie and and the

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terribly haunted tower mil or they

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hanged people and ghosts or you know

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still there peering out and it's just

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too awful to talk about if you believe a

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word I'm saying you're not as skeptical

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as we would like here epical Enquirer

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you've gone as white as a sheet I can

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tell it's new every word true now have

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you had I know it's very recent as we

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speak but just yesterday or the day

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before these JFK files have been

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released if you had any chance to look

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over what's been happening there I have

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not but of course I have done some

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things with JFK for example some years

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ago i tented to help Robert Oswald Lee

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Harvey's brother stop the exclamation of

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Lee Harvey there was a crackpot named

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Eidos a British solicitor or barrister

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or something and he had this theory that

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Oswald wasn't Oswald that when Oswald

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those shrewd Russkies had spirited him

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away and sent us a look-alike and back

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mother and two things yeah that was just

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too too silly for words or fooling

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Robert and so they wanted to dig him up

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wasn't in Oswald's grave it was the

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Soviet look-alike so yeah and when you

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said would say well wait a minute why

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the fingerprints and everything show

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that Oswald was Oswald and of course in

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true conspiracy fashion the guy would

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say well they switched those they

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switched fingerprints don't you know and

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something well that they they will say

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they switched those two so I had a

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theory Robert said yeah if we could do

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that he would be very happy

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I knew maybe America's foremost your

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identification expert Alfred in ireli

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fingerprints snow flakes whatever and we

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had very good photographs of Lee Harvey

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Oswald's ear in Marine Corps photographs

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huh and very good ones of the

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quote-unquote Dallas assassin and in

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that's those are the same ears they are

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the same person no question yeah yeah

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and he's forensic expert in that field

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when we worked on several cases together

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and the problem was that there was just

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this media hype and determination to dig

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Oswald up and nobody was going to give

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us the time of day on something they

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never heard of well like your

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identification you know so they did dig

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him up and guess what guess what kind of

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man who was in Oswald's grave well it

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was sort of like who was in Grant's Tomb

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yeah it was grant in Grant's Tomb and

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Oswald in Oswald's grin was a DNA in the

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end well this was kind of before DNA was

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so okay so you know handy and popular

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and everything today we would do that

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but Robert Oswald's a very decent man

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wacko who did a terrible thing

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Oswald had to pay but his view was look

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I buried my brother and now I want to be

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left alone and so he was very angry

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about it another connection I had to the

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case was just that I was able wants to

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be at the Texas Book Depository in

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Dallas and look out the window where as

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Walt fired and I think it was an easy

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shot the road made a bend and was that

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look that motorcade was had turned and

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was heading away from that window so

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when you have your rifle and and you

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you're firing you just have to just keep

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raising the rifle gently to keep line of

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sight line of sight whereas of course if

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it we're going and right angles to you

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that's a difficult shot good point

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it's a very difficult shot yes you just

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usually have to alter your the rifle up

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slightly because it's down the same

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direction the saying just have just just

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a very easy easy shot I thought as

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someone who's shot a lot as a boy

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particularly and so the people need to

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remember that of the three shots fired

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and we know we know that they have the

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showcasing sense of would of those three

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shots one missed so this this claim that

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it was this phenomenal accurate

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situations it pretty much ridiculous and

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when people talk about another gunman

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you know on the grassy knoll or whatever

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well that was all people mistaken

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because of echo effects of this gunshot

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sound they thought it was you know

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multiple shots coming from it was never

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any evidence for anybody there that was

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good evidence it was all pretty silly

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and and I've said you know if there was

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another gunman

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what happened to his bullets you can

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talk about the super bullet and make

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jokes about it but in fact that rather

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pristine bullet that's called the super

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bullet that went through the magic

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bullet yeah yeah through Kennedy and hit

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Connally and all the people say always

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you couldn't have done all that without

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being horribly deformed but you just

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rotate that bullet a little bit you see

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it's flattened on one side and it's a

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copper jacketed bullet made to minimize

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distortion right so I'm not impressed

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with that and and so if we're gonna talk

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about and call that you know the super

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bullet then you have to talk about the

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grassy knoll bullets as being

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evaporating bullets yeah where did they

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land yeah because we can account for

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everything

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from the two bullets that hit one went

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through Kennedy's throat and

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independently the other one from the

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back came out the side and blew

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Kennedy's head open yeah and that's that

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that's that same and so it's just the

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conspiracy theorists are just silly

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people who won't give up won't give up

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in fact whatever is being released now

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lonely fueled them I would imagine no

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matter what it says if anybody wanted my

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opinion as to what to read to become

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informed I would recommend my friend

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Gerald Posner book case closed

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and another book that's good as Vincent

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Billy ocean Vincent do Leo C's book and

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I forget the title of it but Billy OSA

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was the guy that did the Charles Manson

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stuff it's a you know a pretty pretty

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prominent guy and he did the book on the

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assassination and he is is also a

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sensible book looks at the evidence

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sensibly and both of those books show

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that Oswald Oswald did it I'll link to

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those in the in this week's show notes

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now was he the same guy and I have it in

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my archive somewhere there was something

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called Lee Harvey Oswald on trial where

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do you know this one where they went to

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the UK in the 80s and had a whole trial

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with as many witnesses as that bilious

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he might have been involved with that

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I'm not sure but I'm usually not too

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impressed with those kinds of stunts I

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would I don't care what some you know

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make-believe jurors think I just really

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don't I prefer to look at evidence the

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best evidence I can find and then you

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know see what that shows yeah I don't I

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mean I do have to believe somewhat in

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the jury system but but you know after

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all there's the OJ Simpson jury well I

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could name you some other juries yeah I

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had this theory that in the Casey

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Anthony case that was also the OJ

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Simpson jury who came out of retirement

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so they could go let another obviously

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guilty person off well you have to have

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some fun or else you just you just get

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very frustrated in at juries just not

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really quite grasping what you should be

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gross yeah well it's certainly not a

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perfect system I don't remember what the

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mock trial your time but I don't know

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what they found they found it Lee Harvey

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Oswald was the lone gunman that was the

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conclusion of this then I I've been

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unfair to yeah but but of course I think

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what we know

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forensic Lee and everything is were very

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high confidence level that Oswald was

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the lone gunman and oven by himself shot

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and killed Kennedy what I'm not as

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confident on though I believe I believe

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it I believe it myself but I would put a

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little lower confidence level I I'm not

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as confident that no one else put him up

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to it or or had any other realm but I

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think again though it seems very

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unlikely

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they're just almost all the indications

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that would suggest that somebody was

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behind him or a bunch of nothing and so

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it's looking in the background as some

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connectional possibility but you don't

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put too much weight on I don't so what's

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next for Joe Nickell oh I hope to stay

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alive a little longer because cause a

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little more trouble I am doing some work

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friends are begging me to stop

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we're probably Massimo here is is saying

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for heaven's sake Nikhil please quit

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this but I am working on this thing that

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I've been working on the last few years

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as time permits that I called the

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Bigfoot bear and the Bigfoot bear yeah

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and that's let me define that okay

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that's any bear brown bear black bear

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any bear that standing on its hind legs

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which bears do frequently yeah is

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mistaken for Bigfoot and I have

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collected a bunch of cases I've

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collected a bunch of cases where people

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say something like this well at first I

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thought it was a bear but then I noticed

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it was standing and walking on two legs

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like a man so this Bigfoot and you think

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no I think you just proved my point

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that was the Bigfoot bear or they say at

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first I thought it was a bear but don't

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you know all the bears in this whole

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region of wherever are black bears and

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this bear was this animal this creature

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was blond so and I say well done

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apparently are not aware that black

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bears can be any color from white to

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black there's even a blueish black I

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called the Glacial bear up in the Alaska

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area so when I got a report from just

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over across the border into the Yukon of

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a seven-foot tall yeah

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lelouch a bear standing up would be

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seven foot taller that's exactly right

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or even eight feet tall if it was a big

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brown there yeah so mind you I mean I

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it's like so many things I've done

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people are you know if I identify two or

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three mystery monsters as owls then Oh

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Nicholas saying that it's always an owl

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know I don't or if I show a few cases

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where an otter is or multiple otters is

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the likely excellent Oh Nicholas is all

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the lake monsters

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well I do no such thing I don't know how

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people can can say such a thing is it

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just so it's easy it's easy to say that

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to write you off as so let me let me be

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clear I'm not saying that all Bigfoot

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reports are bears upright standing bears

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but I am saying I can show a number of

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really important and historic cases

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where that's the most likely explanation

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it could also be a hoax it could be a

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guy in the suit there are some other

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possibilities but I try to rule those

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out and apply it only to cases where I

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think it's probably sincere people saw

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something were mistaken because they

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they thought it was Bigfoot and it's

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probably not and that's so I'm doing a

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lot of work on that topic

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Bigfoot bear that yeah that that's

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really interesting which is it never

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occurred to me of course yes yeah I

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wonder what they would say in Australia

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for the Yowie we don't have any bears no

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it doesn't apply and the Yowie is a

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little bit more of a mystery in that

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it's pretty easy and pretty simple the

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Bigfoot bear is a wonderful easy very

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probable explanation for a lot of

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Bigfoot sightings but you can't use that

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and you know I've been Yahweh honey you

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have out

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out in the bush and so there isn't an

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easy explanation but I think some of

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those are just other critters that

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people didn't see well some are hoaxes

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and and I think the Australian ones

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maybe also somewhat influenced by the

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American Bigfoot propaganda I've always

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thought that from the very first time

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when I was a boy and I heard about this

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thing called the Yowie it was it was in

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the 70s and I knew a Bigfoot and I

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thought they'd just ripping off its

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business people in this country want

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there to be a Bigfoot here exactly they

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do and so is that that Bigfoot concept

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in the North America is not only fooling

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North America but that mentality has

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spread to our friends in Australia darn

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it and and is attached to two Yowie

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but the Yowie is not the same creature

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and it does have to be discussed in a

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separate way and but for now maybe I've

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given it all the attention you decide

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you did you decide folks you be the

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judge oh thank you very much and I think

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very shortly you're hosting a lunch

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where you'll be giving a tithe yeah

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and what can we expect what's the flavor

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of that talking to me well it was

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everybody was going to be served filet

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mignon but that was that was vetoed

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Bigfoot burger these ideas are not

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always met you know with with the

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respect they deserve it Richard but I'm

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gonna talk about a concept that this guy

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sitting over here this Massimo Pomodoro

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you probably if John had never heard of

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it that's the people the world's most

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charming skeptics and amantha my mesmo

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and I go way back years and he's uh he's

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uh

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suggested that I'm the detective of the

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impossible and that's that's my talk I'm

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gonna single him out in the audience and

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embarrass him and during my talk that

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sounds like a that's a good title I look

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to it and we'll be heading in shortly

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but for now Joe Nickell once again thank

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you very much thank you appreciate

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[Music]

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greetings listeners

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it's me Captain disillusion on my

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youtube channel called captain

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disillusion aye captain disillusion

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analyzed viral videos of the strange and

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unbelievable I explained how interframe

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video compression 3d motion tracking and

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stock the effects elements prove that

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Justin Bieber is not a secret reptilian

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alien that those videos of ghost cars

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are just unintentional optical illusions

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and that lightning did not strike a few

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feet away from a girl on a beach as we

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saw in the news I'm real fun at parties

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my best friend is a lens flare

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disillusion I do know other people

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sometimes they even show up in my videos

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people like skepticisms grandpa James

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Randi serve de Soleil Acrobat Erica

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Lin's weight loss enthusiast Penn

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Jillette and the actual Beekman from

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Beakman's world I hope you'll check out

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my adventures interact with me in a

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platonic way and even consider becoming

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a patron of my work you can do all that

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and more on YouTube or at Captain

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disillusion com

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let's all take this with a grain of salt

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he's around 2nd Sophie want a nut you

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work for sense about science Europe yes

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can you tell me a little bit about the

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organization and about your job in it

543
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yeah so it sends about signs there's an

544
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organization that was founded in the UK

545
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about 15 years ago in response to a lot

546
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of media scare stories at the time like

547
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mobile phones frying your brain

548
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GMOs you know a lot of topics at the

549
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time where the scientists weren't really

550
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speaking up so there was a lot of

551
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discussion on what the problems were and

552
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there was a lot of needs for input from

553
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the research community and they were not

554
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doing it so sense about science was

555
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launched for that reason to motivate

556
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researchers to speak up and to stand up

557
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for science and public bathes but and

558
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but also to motivate citizens to use

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evidence in their debates so we we work

560
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very closely with citizens and also with

561
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the research community as you said the

562
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organization's existed for a while I

563
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think I received their emails I'm sure

564
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people there skeptics around the world

565
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they receive their image that people

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interested in science when did the

567
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European activity start we started out

568
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about a year and a half ago there were

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already some projects some campaigns

570
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which kind of naturally were working at

571
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a European level or international level

572
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but there was at some point they felt

573
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there was a need for really a presence

574
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in Brussels as well at the same time I

575
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was then still working for European

576
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science academies so providing evidence

577
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from the research community directly to

578
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the European institutions and I've I

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also felt there was a need

580
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a sense about science in Brussels

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because the public debates and the

582
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public engagement was completely absent

583
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in these discussions and the research

584
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community wasn't really coping with the

585
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public opinion and the public debates so

586
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when I discovered since about science I

587
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thought that that is what is needed yeah

588
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the timing was good for both of us

589
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so we kind of naturally joined up forces

590
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and joined my expertise with evidence

591
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and EU policy with their expertise in

592
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public engagements so basically what if

593
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I understand correctly the European at

594
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least the European part of sense about

595
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science is focused on on policy mostly

596
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yes is that different I understand that

597
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both organizations probably do yeah both

598
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but in terms of focus areas would you

599
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say that it's different I I try to I

600
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have a bit more focus on policy so is

601
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that different in a way we for instance

602
00:27:58,540 --> 00:27:56,750
are asked for evidence campaign which is

603
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a public campaign where we stimulate

604
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people to ask for evidence when they

605
00:28:08,430 --> 00:28:04,250
come across public claims it's very

606
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often used now for say consumer affairs

607
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does this shampoo really make your hair

608
00:28:16,500 --> 00:28:13,880
grow better or does this toy really help

609
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your child sleep better or whatever and

610
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I am now consciously trying to get some

611
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more questions about EU policy so in

612
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that way it is you know I I do have more

613
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focus on policy and I wouldn't be so

614
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much involved with you know myths around

615
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things like you know consumer fairs or

616
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what works or so I do focus on things

617
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that are relevant at any level do you

618
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the zero role require to be in close

619
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contact with European politicians yeah

620
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so what we are trying to do is make sure

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there's a good use of evidence in your

622
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policy and the approach we are taking

623
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there is by connecting citizens who ask

624
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for that with their representatives in

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the European Parliament and up to now I

626
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mean we're on we're only just starting

627
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but we we are seeing that that is a very

628
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effective approach because politicians

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tend to listen to their voters and the

630
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science community has been trying to

631
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convince politicians for years on

632
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difficult topics like GMOs or endocrine

633
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disruptors or whatever with very little

634
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effect because it's a democracy and

635
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these politicians they represent the

636
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people and they represent what the

637
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people want or what they think that

638
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people want and that's the point that

639
00:30:01,230 --> 00:29:58,720
we're trying to make it's not always

640
00:30:04,409 --> 00:30:01,240
what you you're not always right when

641
00:30:08,330 --> 00:30:04,419
when you say when somebody says that

642
00:30:10,980 --> 00:30:08,340
people don't want GMOs that's incorrect

643
00:30:16,340 --> 00:30:10,990
there are some people who don't want in

644
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GMOs and they are very often very loud

645
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but is that the majority there's plenty

646
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of people out there environmentalists

647
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even who do think that GMOs can be used

648
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:28,980
under certain set of circumstances and

649
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we're trying to give a voice to these

650
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people so that the politicians get a

651
00:30:39,029 --> 00:30:36,309
better view of the needs for evidence in

652
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:39,039
society it's a broader point of course

653
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:40,690
which you've raised in your talk so we

654
00:30:43,409 --> 00:30:42,130
are at the European skeptics Congress

655
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and you've raised this point in your

656
00:30:50,990 --> 00:30:47,340
talk about how politicians want to

657
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represent yes their constituents now I

658
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:54,010
think that partially obviously as you

659
00:30:57,419 --> 00:30:55,690
said the question is do they really

660
00:31:00,210 --> 00:30:57,429
represent their constituents are only

661
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the loudest of the constituents but

662
00:31:05,250 --> 00:31:02,370
there's also the question that I would

663
00:31:06,770 --> 00:31:05,260
raise or ask of those politicians about

664
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festival protecting

665
00:31:10,700 --> 00:31:09,420
their constituents not just simply doing

666
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:10,710
what the considers want but also

667
00:31:15,070 --> 00:31:12,090
protecting them for example against

668
00:31:18,290 --> 00:31:15,080
false claims and on the other hand

669
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there's the issue for you of perhaps

670
00:31:22,390 --> 00:31:20,520
educating the constituency to make sure

671
00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:22,400
that they require the politicians

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00:31:29,270 --> 00:31:24,960
something that is right and supported by

673
00:31:31,010 --> 00:31:29,280
evidence well also the politicians are

674
00:31:37,190 --> 00:31:31,020
misled sometimes on what the evidence

675
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:37,200
says so they might sometimes where let's

676
00:31:43,700 --> 00:31:40,080
assume here that the politicians are you

677
00:31:45,860 --> 00:31:43,710
know good politician from and and well

678
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:45,870
are good politicians and have the best

679
00:31:51,890 --> 00:31:49,530
possible intentions okay because even

680
00:31:56,650 --> 00:31:51,900
that you know it's not always a case we

681
00:32:01,910 --> 00:31:56,660
do all know the European Parliament

682
00:32:06,170 --> 00:32:01,920
exactly so so but let's assume that they

683
00:32:07,340 --> 00:32:06,180
all are even even then also the

684
00:32:10,340 --> 00:32:07,350
politicians need to get their

685
00:32:13,250 --> 00:32:10,350
information somewhere and and they may

686
00:32:16,700 --> 00:32:13,260
be as misinformed as any of their

687
00:32:20,690 --> 00:32:16,710
constituents and they may be thinking

688
00:32:24,470 --> 00:32:20,700
that doing the right thing by banning

689
00:32:26,450 --> 00:32:24,480
this or that because they genuinely

690
00:32:29,210 --> 00:32:26,460
believed as a problem with that

691
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:29,220
so obviously you also need a research

692
00:32:35,810 --> 00:32:33,450
community that is available to provide

693
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:35,820
good evidence and to bring it also in a

694
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:37,770
forum that it's usable for politicians

695
00:32:43,730 --> 00:32:40,050
because that's also that's an extra

696
00:32:46,870 --> 00:32:43,740
challenge actually a politician cannot

697
00:32:50,540 --> 00:32:46,880
just start reading 50 different

698
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:50,550
scientific articles to know what's going

699
00:32:56,660 --> 00:32:54,210
on so do you so you produce digests of

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some sort of presume and end down

701
00:33:04,940 --> 00:33:01,650
no what we do is in all of our campaigns

702
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:04,950
we try to be catalyzes rather than doing

703
00:33:10,610 --> 00:33:07,410
it ourselves where we're trying to

704
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:10,620
create systemic change so in the

705
00:33:17,930 --> 00:33:13,770
evidence matters campaign we are trying

706
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:17,940
to motivate the people to speak up for

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00:33:22,010 --> 00:33:18,690
evidence

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00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:22,020
in you policy but we have other

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00:33:29,450 --> 00:33:26,370
campaigns so for instance voice that's

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00:33:31,490 --> 00:33:29,460
vo is voice of young science that's a

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00:33:33,770 --> 00:33:31,500
network of early career researchers who

712
00:33:37,100 --> 00:33:33,780
are trained and motivated by us to stand

713
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:37,110
up for science last question I want to

714
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:39,210
ask you was with regards to the link

715
00:33:42,140 --> 00:33:40,650
with the skeptical community of course

716
00:33:44,150 --> 00:33:42,150
we are in a skeptics Congress here we

717
00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:44,160
discussed this earlier and you said that

718
00:33:50,900 --> 00:33:45,600
you really only discovered the skeptical

719
00:33:54,140 --> 00:33:50,910
movement recently but I commented that

720
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it we basically natural allies so I'm

721
00:33:58,900 --> 00:33:56,340
just wondering whether that alliance

722
00:34:01,130 --> 00:33:58,910
that natural alliance is actually

723
00:34:06,020 --> 00:34:01,140
implemented does it come to fruition so

724
00:34:08,090 --> 00:34:06,030
in Italy Italian skeptics movement is

725
00:34:11,260 --> 00:34:08,100
running our ask for evidence campaign in

726
00:34:13,670 --> 00:34:11,270
Italian so that is a very concrete

727
00:34:16,970 --> 00:34:13,680
collaboration almost I mean we don't

728
00:34:20,050 --> 00:34:16,980
really get involved but so they run it

729
00:34:25,490 --> 00:34:20,060
on their own but they use our resources

730
00:34:29,060 --> 00:34:25,500
and our approach for their own ask for

731
00:34:31,490 --> 00:34:29,070
evidence platform with the skeptics

732
00:34:33,980 --> 00:34:31,500
community has been very helpful as well

733
00:34:37,430 --> 00:34:33,990
in for our evidence matters event in the

734
00:34:40,970 --> 00:34:37,440
Parliament to help identify citizens

735
00:34:43,970 --> 00:34:40,980
across Europe who care about evidence so

736
00:34:47,270 --> 00:34:43,980
I think I do think there's a good

737
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:47,280
collaboration and it's helpful for both

738
00:34:50,690 --> 00:34:49,410
sense about science and the sceptics I

739
00:34:54,340 --> 00:34:50,700
think and is there something that

740
00:34:57,500 --> 00:34:54,350
skeptics around the world can do to help

741
00:35:01,940 --> 00:34:57,510
well in Europe yes because they can

742
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:01,950
maybe from English exactly it I've had

743
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:04,650
loads so I did the general call in my

744
00:35:08,780 --> 00:35:06,330
presentation if there's anybody who

745
00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:08,790
wants to do some volunteering work and

746
00:35:13,070 --> 00:35:10,560
make translations that would be great

747
00:35:16,310 --> 00:35:13,080
and loads of people have approached me

748
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:16,320
that's great and so that's great cuz I

749
00:35:22,790 --> 00:35:18,810
think that is quite typical of the

750
00:35:24,370 --> 00:35:22,800
sceptics people or movement people they

751
00:35:27,819 --> 00:35:24,380
are willing to invest in this

752
00:35:31,329 --> 00:35:27,829
so they're willing to to put some time

753
00:35:33,609 --> 00:35:31,339
and effort in it that's great we I am

754
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:33,619
still so we're still running out of

755
00:35:39,130 --> 00:35:36,410
evidence mother's campaign and we're

756
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:39,140
still motivating citizens across Europe

757
00:35:45,339 --> 00:35:41,210
to write to their every piece to say we

758
00:35:47,650 --> 00:35:45,349
want you to use evidence and intention

759
00:35:51,910 --> 00:35:47,660
is for every member of the European

760
00:35:54,339 --> 00:35:51,920
Parliament to have received at least one

761
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:54,349
email but hopefully a lot from their

762
00:35:58,450 --> 00:35:56,690
constituents saying that so that's also

763
00:36:03,039 --> 00:35:58,460
something that the European skeptics

764
00:36:05,499 --> 00:36:03,049
definitely can do and for the rest our

765
00:36:08,170 --> 00:36:05,509
ask for evidence campaign use it you

766
00:36:11,170 --> 00:36:08,180
know ask for evidence and do it through

767
00:36:15,759 --> 00:36:11,180
our website then we have a log of it and

768
00:36:19,509 --> 00:36:15,769
we write those stories up sometimes two

769
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:19,519
to be the inspiration and motivation for

770
00:36:25,269 --> 00:36:22,970
others to do the same so if people who

771
00:36:27,370 --> 00:36:25,279
are listening to this interview want to

772
00:36:30,729 --> 00:36:27,380
find out more and perhaps get involved

773
00:36:32,650 --> 00:36:30,739
work and they do that exactly so you can

774
00:36:35,289 --> 00:36:32,660
just have a look at our website see what

775
00:36:47,049 --> 00:36:35,299
kind of things we do says about science

776
00:36:50,319 --> 00:36:47,059
dot or I think great and ask for

777
00:36:52,390 --> 00:36:50,329
evidence is a website on its own I think

778
00:36:55,180 --> 00:36:52,400
mainly the ask for evidence campaign is

779
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:55,190
most useful but and researchers across

780
00:37:00,130 --> 00:36:57,650
the world because we don't limit to

781
00:37:03,089 --> 00:37:00,140
voice Network and apparently you know

782
00:37:05,940 --> 00:37:03,099
there it stretches as as far as

783
00:37:09,759 --> 00:37:05,950
Australia's know so definitely

784
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:09,769
researchers across like the globe can

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00:37:15,309 --> 00:37:13,130
join the voice Network and I think it's

786
00:37:17,650 --> 00:37:15,319
it's really great for them not just the

787
00:37:20,229 --> 00:37:17,660
training sessions that we provide but to

788
00:37:23,650 --> 00:37:20,239
find allies to find people like them who

789
00:37:28,359 --> 00:37:23,660
also are willing to stand up for signs

790
00:37:29,980 --> 00:37:28,369
and and invest some of their very scarce

791
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:29,990
but precious

792
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:34,130
time and effort in that great Sophie

793
00:37:44,170 --> 00:37:42,290
thank you very much thank you hi this is

794
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:44,180
Ben Radford and this is Pascual Romero

795
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:45,890
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796
00:37:49,900 --> 00:37:48,050
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797
00:37:52,450 --> 00:37:49,910
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00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:52,460
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799
00:37:56,500 --> 00:37:54,170
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801
00:38:00,130 --> 00:37:58,160
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we know cyclones underway because there

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are tango lessons down here at the lobby

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bar i'm with susan gerbic Susan I must

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thank you for your series of interviews

809
00:38:33,180 --> 00:38:31,000
that we've all been enjoying lately from

810
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:33,190
your trip across Europe Oh wasn't that a

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blast I am so glad that I was able to

812
00:38:39,509 --> 00:38:36,700
share that with your with the listeners

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and maybe feel like I wasn't quite alone

814
00:38:43,740 --> 00:38:42,519
because I was recording I feel I knew

815
00:38:44,910 --> 00:38:43,750
you spoke to some very interesting

816
00:38:48,259 --> 00:38:44,920
people and you're telling me that the

817
00:38:51,509 --> 00:38:48,269
Italian conference was huge yes huge

818
00:38:53,700 --> 00:38:51,519
there was at least 800 people it's very

819
00:38:55,470 --> 00:38:53,710
impressive I would love to see it one

820
00:38:57,329 --> 00:38:55,480
day you and Randy were there right Randy

821
00:39:01,259 --> 00:38:57,339
and I were there mark Edward was there

822
00:39:03,029 --> 00:39:01,269
it was the ESP podcast people well on

823
00:39:04,829 --> 00:39:03,039
the Bosch was there there was it it was

824
00:39:07,109 --> 00:39:04,839
all in Italian they had to translate for

825
00:39:09,749 --> 00:39:07,119
myself and for randy whenever we were

826
00:39:12,269 --> 00:39:09,759
onstage but other than that the entire

827
00:39:16,170 --> 00:39:12,279
conference is stunning in Italian I'd

828
00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:16,180
say you had a an amazing trip how many

829
00:39:20,819 --> 00:39:18,250
conferences did you end up going to well

830
00:39:22,259 --> 00:39:20,829
I only went to two main conferences I'm

831
00:39:24,349 --> 00:39:22,269
its icon right now since this is the

832
00:39:26,460 --> 00:39:24,359
third we've been about a month but

833
00:39:29,670 --> 00:39:26,470
everywhere I went we did a skeptics in

834
00:39:31,289 --> 00:39:29,680
the pub so they arranged it for us being

835
00:39:33,210 --> 00:39:31,299
there wasn't like we happened on us

836
00:39:34,799 --> 00:39:33,220
skeptics in the pub we went there but we

837
00:39:37,519 --> 00:39:34,809
were as we were on tour we stopped and

838
00:39:39,690 --> 00:39:37,529
we lectured at each location so I think

839
00:39:42,269 --> 00:39:39,700
you know honestly I don't know how many

840
00:39:44,819 --> 00:39:42,279
countries I was in but during the three

841
00:39:46,089 --> 00:39:44,829
almost a month I was gone I slept in 13

842
00:39:49,420 --> 00:39:46,099
different beds

843
00:39:52,930 --> 00:39:49,430
I had 11 flight I went through many

844
00:39:56,170 --> 00:39:52,940
different currencies and met so many

845
00:39:58,299 --> 00:39:56,180
people it was so much fun I it was a

846
00:40:01,239 --> 00:39:58,309
great overview of being able to see the

847
00:40:03,849 --> 00:40:01,249
health of the skeptic community every

848
00:40:05,289 --> 00:40:03,859
every other day probably reached second

849
00:40:07,509 --> 00:40:05,299
day I was in a different country in a

850
00:40:10,630 --> 00:40:07,519
different sceptic group that was kind of

851
00:40:12,670 --> 00:40:10,640
hosting me and I asked a lot of

852
00:40:14,950 --> 00:40:12,680
questions I'm hoping to write this all

853
00:40:16,420 --> 00:40:14,960
up because I don't think anybody's done

854
00:40:20,140 --> 00:40:16,430
an overview of the community especially

855
00:40:22,210 --> 00:40:20,150
the European community it's very it's

856
00:40:26,950 --> 00:40:22,220
very changing it's like that's not what

857
00:40:31,019 --> 00:40:26,960
I'm looking for it it it what is the

858
00:40:33,579 --> 00:40:31,029
word I'm looking for it it's malleable

859
00:40:35,829 --> 00:40:33,589
evolving that might be a way we can say

860
00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:35,839
it but anyway here we are in what they

861
00:40:39,789 --> 00:40:37,609
call the lobby bar the Excalibur Hotel

862
00:40:41,979 --> 00:40:39,799
which is opposite the registration desk

863
00:40:43,900 --> 00:40:41,989
right and we've been having a fun

864
00:40:46,299 --> 00:40:43,910
afternoon waiting for people to sort of

865
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:46,309
randomly appear right and then we text

866
00:40:51,039 --> 00:40:48,170
them as we see them standing in line at

867
00:40:52,209 --> 00:40:51,049
the on Facebook well we'll tag them on

868
00:40:53,799 --> 00:40:52,219
Facebook or something we'll say

869
00:40:56,259 --> 00:40:53,809
something about you know what they're

870
00:40:58,839 --> 00:40:56,269
wearing and then we're doing this and

871
00:41:01,690 --> 00:40:58,849
suddenly Richard Dawkins walks past us

872
00:41:03,969 --> 00:41:01,700
he's disappeared now I don't know I

873
00:41:05,829 --> 00:41:03,979
think he's gone to his room and Bob

874
00:41:07,450 --> 00:41:05,839
Novello is here earlier but this a nice

875
00:41:09,819 --> 00:41:07,460
little group we're having a good time

876
00:41:11,709 --> 00:41:09,829
and you just had a tango lesson yes I

877
00:41:13,630 --> 00:41:11,719
had a tango lesson from someone who is

878
00:41:15,430 --> 00:41:13,640
an expert on the tango from Argentina

879
00:41:18,459 --> 00:41:15,440
from Argentina yeah this is Paula

880
00:41:19,989 --> 00:41:18,469
Serrano she's brilliant now she's

881
00:41:22,959 --> 00:41:19,999
getting a cha-cha lesson from one of my

882
00:41:24,579 --> 00:41:22,969
other editors Rob Palmer Oh Susan it's

883
00:41:27,670 --> 00:41:24,589
great to see you here at saikhan and I

884
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:27,680
think we're in for a wonderful four days

885
00:41:31,940 --> 00:41:30,570
I am really looking forward to this

886
00:41:34,430 --> 00:41:31,950
I I don't know what I'm gonna do

887
00:41:41,660 --> 00:41:34,440
whenever this is over I mean I don't

888
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:41,670
have anything planned for months it is

889
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:43,530
Monday morning it's all over we're at

890
00:41:48,380 --> 00:41:45,810
the luxor hotel we just had a breakfast

891
00:41:50,450 --> 00:41:48,390
i'm with susan gerbic susan we just

892
00:41:52,090 --> 00:41:50,460
heard from you before the whole

893
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:52,100
convention started now it's all over

894
00:41:57,110 --> 00:41:54,810
what are your impressions as we try to

895
00:42:01,460 --> 00:41:57,120
make our way through this maze of poker

896
00:42:05,210 --> 00:42:01,470
machines and cigarettes Nancy Grace well

897
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:05,220
it was superior to probably the past

898
00:42:11,270 --> 00:42:08,850
ones we've done i but it's they're all

899
00:42:13,010 --> 00:42:11,280
unique and different you know the the

900
00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:13,020
talks were great that my memories are

901
00:42:18,020 --> 00:42:14,880
more about the things that happened

902
00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:18,030
after ordering you know around not

903
00:42:22,450 --> 00:42:20,160
during the lectures some of my best

904
00:42:26,030 --> 00:42:22,460
cement some of my best memories were

905
00:42:27,980 --> 00:42:26,040
were just interactions we had the

906
00:42:29,810 --> 00:42:27,990
contacts we made the friendships you

907
00:42:32,510 --> 00:42:29,820
know being able to hang out with people

908
00:42:34,370 --> 00:42:32,520
that like yourself that we've had a long

909
00:42:37,220 --> 00:42:34,380
friendship with and then there's so many

910
00:42:41,090 --> 00:42:37,230
new people I was so excited

911
00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:41,100
it's just conference attendance people I

912
00:42:45,620 --> 00:42:44,250
tell you this all the time you have to

913
00:42:48,530 --> 00:42:45,630
go and meet these people

914
00:42:51,470 --> 00:42:48,540
you cannot just sit at home and interact

915
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:51,480
with them on Facebook or wherever and or

916
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:53,130
and watch the videos of lectures on

917
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:55,290
YouTube there's so much more to

918
00:42:59,000 --> 00:42:57,450
conference attendance you have to come

919
00:43:01,340 --> 00:42:59,010
and see these people yeah it's not just

920
00:43:03,950 --> 00:43:01,350
talks is it of course no there's there's

921
00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:03,960
there's so much more they you have to go

922
00:43:09,980 --> 00:43:05,760
and shake their hand share a beer or

923
00:43:12,020 --> 00:43:09,990
coffee or you know or just whatever aura

924
00:43:14,660 --> 00:43:12,030
hang out with Joyce Rob ye plays if you

925
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:14,670
choose oh yes there's so much going on

926
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:17,010
and it's not just the celebrities and

927
00:43:21,140 --> 00:43:19,290
the speakers it's just the average

928
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:21,150
person you meet and you make contact

929
00:43:25,310 --> 00:43:23,370
with them and you know you have a

930
00:43:28,460 --> 00:43:25,320
friendship that will last maybe four

931
00:43:29,990 --> 00:43:28,470
years it's wonderful I'm trying to I'll

932
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:30,000
try to describe to the listeners now

933
00:43:34,020 --> 00:43:31,530
where we are we're walking from the

934
00:43:38,490 --> 00:43:34,030
Luxor Hotel which is a giant pyramid

935
00:43:40,570 --> 00:43:38,500
to the Excalibur which is sort of mock

936
00:43:42,370 --> 00:43:40,580
medieval times which never really

937
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:42,380
existed with swords and knights and

938
00:43:48,190 --> 00:43:44,450
things but we are walking through this

939
00:43:50,350 --> 00:43:48,200
cavernous entryway which is what you

940
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:50,360
might think the interior of a pyramid

941
00:43:55,810 --> 00:43:52,880
could possibly look like if it was done

942
00:43:57,580 --> 00:43:55,820
in America which it is I feel that

943
00:44:00,010 --> 00:43:57,590
pyramid power I feel so much stronger

944
00:44:01,810 --> 00:44:00,020
being here with the energy from the

945
00:44:04,210 --> 00:44:01,820
pyramid you know I I don't know about

946
00:44:07,810 --> 00:44:04,220
you Richard but oh absolutely I feel it

947
00:44:09,790 --> 00:44:07,820
every time well I really enjoyed psych

948
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:09,800
on this year I didn't go last year in

949
00:44:15,310 --> 00:44:11,330
fact the last time I was at psych on I

950
00:44:17,470 --> 00:44:15,320
think was 2011 or 2012 which was in in

951
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:17,480
New Orleans yes I didn't go to that one

952
00:44:23,050 --> 00:44:19,130
yeah we're gonna be doing another psych

953
00:44:26,530 --> 00:44:23,060
on 2018 in mid-october it's gonna be at

954
00:44:29,470 --> 00:44:26,540
a bigger casino it's also going to be in

955
00:44:30,940 --> 00:44:29,480
Vegas and I highly recommend you get

956
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:30,950
yourselves here we're gonna be able this

957
00:44:36,100 --> 00:44:33,650
one sold out we absolutely filled it as

958
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:36,110
full as we possibly could I think 550

959
00:44:41,890 --> 00:44:38,810
people no more room for anybody else

960
00:44:44,470 --> 00:44:41,900
here so the next this the next event

961
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:44,480
will be a room for 1,200 people so you

962
00:44:48,490 --> 00:44:46,970
got to get yourself here yeah I can I

963
00:44:52,390 --> 00:44:48,500
can recommend it I've had a thoroughly

964
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:52,400
enjoyable time that was just walking now

965
00:44:58,600 --> 00:44:55,850
on a land bridge and in close landbridge

966
00:45:01,300 --> 00:44:58,610
going over one of the huge streets here

967
00:45:03,490 --> 00:45:01,310
between the hotels we're on a moving

968
00:45:05,590 --> 00:45:03,500
walkway so lots of acres are sort of

969
00:45:07,330 --> 00:45:05,600
like Disneyland on steroids sometimes I

970
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:07,340
think this rollercoasters and all sorts

971
00:45:12,580 --> 00:45:10,490
of things this place is just like it

972
00:45:15,660 --> 00:45:12,590
you know I would never go to Vegas on my

973
00:45:18,570 --> 00:45:15,670
own it's to me this is just so fake and

974
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:18,580
ridiculous and then the cigarettes but

975
00:45:23,950 --> 00:45:21,170
beyond that there's so much more

976
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:23,960
happening so don't let any of that stop

977
00:45:29,050 --> 00:45:26,090
you being with people and laughing at

978
00:45:31,240 --> 00:45:29,060
the oxygen bars and the things we see

979
00:45:32,830 --> 00:45:31,250
the power balance kind of demonstrations

980
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:32,840
that we see as we walk along and the

981
00:45:37,240 --> 00:45:35,330
absolute fraud mists that people are

982
00:45:38,530 --> 00:45:37,250
trying to constantly get you to come

983
00:45:39,820 --> 00:45:38,540
over here come over here I want to show

984
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:39,830
you something hey let me give you this

985
00:45:44,410 --> 00:45:42,170
let me you know come in let me let me

986
00:45:45,940 --> 00:45:44,420
smell me this that happens not yeah it's

987
00:45:48,100 --> 00:45:45,950
not a big deal that would happen

988
00:45:50,140 --> 00:45:48,110
no we're okay this is the second part of

989
00:45:51,790 --> 00:45:50,150
our land bridge crossing and we look

990
00:45:54,910 --> 00:45:51,800
over there's a monorail over there

991
00:45:58,050 --> 00:45:54,920
between the Luxor and the oh hello girls

992
00:46:01,810 --> 00:45:58,060
night out back Thunder Down Under

993
00:46:03,250 --> 00:46:01,820
performing here yes yeah it's great it's

994
00:46:04,750 --> 00:46:03,260
great there's so much to see you can see

995
00:46:09,570 --> 00:46:04,760
right now the Tropicana where we were

996
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:11,550
but we keep with mentioned cigarettes a

997
00:46:15,420 --> 00:46:12,490
couple of times and it's worth

998
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:15,430
mentioning that the hotels the casinos

999
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:17,050
here in Las Vegas you can smoke and

1000
00:46:22,650 --> 00:46:20,770
people do and it's it can be a little

1001
00:46:25,380 --> 00:46:22,660
intense right so you have to kind of

1002
00:46:29,310 --> 00:46:25,390
pick your battles you move to a hotel

1003
00:46:30,690 --> 00:46:29,320
room or at a quieter area where we're

1004
00:46:33,030 --> 00:46:30,700
always looking for a nice place that's

1005
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:33,040
less smokey what I understand where we

1006
00:46:36,210 --> 00:46:34,810
were just told at breakfast is that that

1007
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:36,220
the new hotel we're going to be going to

1008
00:46:40,109 --> 00:46:38,290
the new casino there's a sports bar

1009
00:46:41,370 --> 00:46:40,119
that's really big and there's no smoking

1010
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:41,380
allowed in it and that's where people

1011
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:42,850
probably hate that's called the worst

1012
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:44,290
something-or-other I can't think of the

1013
00:46:49,950 --> 00:46:46,570
top my head what it is Westgate thank

1014
00:46:51,900 --> 00:46:49,960
you random stranger over there and that

1015
00:46:53,490 --> 00:46:51,910
used to be somebody so used to be the

1016
00:46:57,180 --> 00:46:53,500
Hyatt I think or something like that

1017
00:47:00,060 --> 00:46:57,190
about that it was an old hotel the

1018
00:47:02,670 --> 00:47:00,070
Hilton thank you thank you the Hilton

1019
00:47:04,410 --> 00:47:02,680
so the old Hilton is now transformed

1020
00:47:06,359 --> 00:47:04,420
Dena well we'll see what it's like if

1021
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:06,369
I'm lucky enough to be back well this is

1022
00:47:08,970 --> 00:47:07,570
gonna be fun and you know what I keep

1023
00:47:11,250 --> 00:47:08,980
saying let's go to psych out and go to

1024
00:47:13,890 --> 00:47:11,260
psych on you really actually people go

1025
00:47:15,750 --> 00:47:13,900
to anything because it's all it's all

1026
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:15,760
good I mean some are a little bit

1027
00:47:19,650 --> 00:47:17,890
different than others but for the most

1028
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:19,660
part try to get yourself to something

1029
00:47:22,870 --> 00:47:21,490
even if it's just your local skeptics in

1030
00:47:25,689 --> 00:47:22,880
the pub

1031
00:47:27,339 --> 00:47:25,699
or skeptic amp you know the city

1032
00:47:30,249 --> 00:47:27,349
skeptics in the pub is amazing are you

1033
00:47:34,319 --> 00:47:30,259
guys that those guys show up and math

1034
00:47:38,949 --> 00:47:34,329
numbers it's so much fun so do something

1035
00:47:41,319 --> 00:47:38,959
if we're just passing an oxygen bar I'm

1036
00:47:43,059 --> 00:47:41,329
the mess I just look good but the rest

1037
00:47:45,009 --> 00:47:43,069
of it I don't think is terribly great

1038
00:47:48,699 --> 00:47:45,019
but there's all sorts of things here

1039
00:47:50,199 --> 00:47:48,709
really magnet max shop as a whole store

1040
00:47:52,259 --> 00:47:50,209
we're passing right now devoted to

1041
00:47:55,929 --> 00:47:52,269
dragons I kid you not

1042
00:47:58,449 --> 00:47:55,939
souvenirs the posse electronic booth

1043
00:48:02,499 --> 00:47:58,459
what's this one bath salts or something

1044
00:48:04,630 --> 00:48:02,509
like that so it's you know for one week

1045
00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:04,640
of the year or five days or four days I

1046
00:48:09,339 --> 00:48:07,609
do like Las Vegas I agree but only

1047
00:48:12,189 --> 00:48:09,349
because my friends are here and the

1048
00:48:15,699 --> 00:48:12,199
people that I haven't met yet that will

1049
00:48:19,449 --> 00:48:15,709
become friends passing the food court

1050
00:48:21,309 --> 00:48:19,459
and just around the corner I don't think

1051
00:48:23,709 --> 00:48:21,319
we should bother the poor person who's

1052
00:48:25,749 --> 00:48:23,719
there is the store selling the power

1053
00:48:27,009 --> 00:48:25,759
balance type bracelets using the the

1054
00:48:30,290 --> 00:48:27,019
demonstrations of the applied

1055
00:48:33,950 --> 00:48:30,300
kinesiology there it is it's called

1056
00:48:37,130 --> 00:48:33,960
pure life and she's on the phone so she

1057
00:48:39,940 --> 00:48:37,140
doesn't worry too much about it

1058
00:48:41,870 --> 00:48:39,950
oh she's taking a photograph of it now

1059
00:48:43,370 --> 00:48:41,880
go look at that to see if they have a

1060
00:48:45,650 --> 00:48:43,380
Wikipedia page that needs to be updated

1061
00:48:45,859 --> 00:48:45,660
that's a good idea I think you should do

1062
00:48:47,930 --> 00:48:45,869
that

1063
00:48:49,759 --> 00:48:47,940
these are dime a dozen it once one goes

1064
00:48:51,259 --> 00:48:49,769
the next one comes in and the more

1065
00:48:53,569 --> 00:48:51,269
information we can get about this type

1066
00:48:56,089 --> 00:48:53,579
of Power Balance kind of thing even

1067
00:48:57,500 --> 00:48:56,099
though they keep changing names the more

1068
00:48:59,120 --> 00:48:57,510
information we can get out there the

1069
00:49:01,400 --> 00:48:59,130
more likely we can help get this

1070
00:49:03,769 --> 00:49:01,410
whack-a-mole kind of problem taken care

1071
00:49:05,390 --> 00:49:03,779
of it's a story of the skepticism I

1072
00:49:08,720 --> 00:49:05,400
think I think partly it's wack them all

1073
00:49:10,460 --> 00:49:08,730
anyway from saikhan 2017 thank you once

1074
00:49:27,829 --> 00:49:10,470
again Susan go but from guerrilla

1075
00:49:31,009 --> 00:49:27,839
skepticism on Wikipedia yeah we are

1076
00:49:32,070 --> 00:49:31,019
doing a live bunga bunga at the Herald

1077
00:49:35,340 --> 00:49:32,080
Park Hotel

1078
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:35,350
[Music]

1079
00:49:43,860 --> 00:49:41,410
oh my god oh my god I know bunga bunga

1080
00:49:46,650 --> 00:49:43,870
live if you want to be part of us

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recording an entire episode of bunga

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bunga where you'll be invited to make

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your own comments you'll be invited to

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ask us questions the crank mail section

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we're throwing it over to you we're

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gonna be doing it live in front of

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people they'll be special guests we've

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decided to go live

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definitely worth putting in your diary

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it's gonna be at the Herald Park Hotel

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stairs upstairs in Sydney and if you

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think getting upstairs is a problem for

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you wait till you see how they winch me

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and from the helicopter yes that's right

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it's the festival of dumb ideas at the

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Hammer Park Hotel the 14th of November

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really soon get tickets now tickets are

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available at Tri booking.com or all the

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information you need is on the front

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page of Maynard calm thought I you see

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you there

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bring your crank mail bring your man if

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you do like it we're gonna do it about

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once a month that way too

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yeah yeah if people come along we want

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to do one live bunga bunga or a month so

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you get the comedy you get the music you

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get the fun you get the insights you get

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the opinions you get the politics and

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you get the pants all the information at

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Maynard comdata you and it's all there

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for you or go to the bunga bunga

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thank you for listening to the skeptic

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zone wow what a what a thrill that was

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to be in Las Vegas despite the recent

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tragedy of course in fact oddly enough

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when I was up in the skeptics guide to

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the universe room which they used for

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interviews and so on and we opened the

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window we had a view of the of the crime

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scene and that was quite quite poignant

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it's send a chill up the spine

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nevertheless lots of people were walking

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around with t-shirts and things saying

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Las Vegas strong which was good to see

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oh and thank you to George for a bow a

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good friend George rub from the geologic

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podcast who did a wonderful job em seen

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saikhan in Las Vegas he was funny he was

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charming and that's what we'd expect

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from George in fact if there was a

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moment when I and Britt hermès and dr.

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Agee and Cara Santa Maria were waiting

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in the wings as it were to do our panel

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just outside the door of the large

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convention room and George was onstage

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informing the audience of some notes or

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something and we had to stop we weren't

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quite ready so I motioned to George

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offstage to stretch to just give us a

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little bit more time which he was doing

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and then out of the blue and we're not

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sure why one of the staff there at the

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hotel brought a bucket of of ice and

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water up to the stage and plunked it

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right on the table presumably for us to

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use during our panel which caught George

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and the audience completely by surprise

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they weren't sure what was going on then

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George made I guess made a joke out of

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it and as the the the waiter or the

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staff member was leaving I thought it

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was so funny what he did I rushed

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forward and shook his hand now the

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audience took that as me congratulating

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him on a joke on George which presumably

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I initiated and which I didn't so all

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those people who think that I put this

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guy up tuesd carrying the water on stage

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I didn't I'd truly didn't

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it was just a funny moment but then

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halfway through the panel George got us

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back anyway and as we were discussing

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matters

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suddenly he brought this bucket of water

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right under the stage in front of

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everybody and that got a great laugh I

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love those sort of moments at these

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conventions and I wonder what sort of

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funny moments will be coming up at the

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Australian skeptics National Convention

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you can still buy your tickets general

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information just head for skeptic zone

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TV and click the various links again I

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hope you'll be at the dinner on the 18th

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but for this week and I better get back

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to bed because the jetlag and the colder

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taking their toll this is Richard

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Saunders signing off from Sydney

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